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The Wiener parallel you draw here is more precise than you may realize. Dean Ball went on Ezra Klein's show today (March 6) and made an argument that extends your historical lens forward in a way I haven't seen anywhere else.

Ball pointed out: "This incident is in the training data for future models. Future models are going to observe what happened here. And that will affect how they think of themselves and how they relate to other people."

Think about what that means through your Cassandra framework. Wiener warned that feedback loops in automated systems can amplify errors rather than correct them. The training data argument is exactly that kind of feedback loop. If the lesson encoded in future training data is "companies with principles get destroyed, companies without them get contracts," that shapes what kind of AI gets built. Klein extended the thought: Dario talks about "a country of geniuses in a data center." What if you're building a country of Stasi agents in a data center?

Ball also made an argument about alignment that connects to Wiener's core insight about systems outrunning human oversight. He said you can't align an AI the way you program a calculator. "Morality is more like a language that is spoken and invented in real time than it is like something that can be written down in rules." If the government can destroy a company for how it chose to align its AI (what Ball calls "a philosophical act, a political act, and also kind of an aesthetic act"), then the government controls what moral personality these systems are allowed to have.

Your point about Wiener being repositioned through politics rather than refutation is playing out in real time. Ball, who wrote Trump's AI Action Plan, calls the supply chain designation "fascism" and says the administration is lying about the missile defense anecdote that justified the escalation. He's being repositioned too.

Full episode breakdown: https://theaiblindspot.substack.com/p/a-country-of-stasi-agents-in-a-data

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